I’m still following a couple of Bible in a Year podcast groups on social media, and the other day I saw this post:
Hi. I was wondering If someone can tell me if practicing yoga goes against the Catholic religion? If you are doing it for stretching and relaxation purposes ? Thanks. I met a woman in a store that heard me mention yoga and went off on how that’s like devil worshipping.
I remember encountering such concerns when I was a kid. Everything seemed a potential link to the Dark One: popular music, popular films, popular anything. The devil, it seemed, was always lurking just around the corner, always waiting for us to slip up so he could slip in. Yoga was among these worries.
Not everyone was having it, though:
You would think the church would worry about important things…and I don’t think yoga and keeping your body healthy and breathing are much of a problem.
Every now and then, I see a kindred spirit on these message boards, someone who thinks, “Hold on — that doesn’t make sense,” and then goes ahead an says it.
How many people are actually like that, though? I’m fairly sure that thought comes into plenty of people’s minds and they simply disregard it or even banish it as being a trick of the devil.
Some people in the message stream, though, seemed to be of two minds, or to have changed their mind:
Yoga has become so mainstream and it seems so innocent. I did it for years. Then I learned how it was occult and stopped.
“It seems so innocent.” That is how the devil lures you in: he seems so innocent and then, boom! He’s got you!
I find myself wondering whether these folks see the contradiction in their thinking. On one hand, they’re always saying that “the Lord’s got this” and “I have no fear because I trust in God.” Yet moments latter, they’re hyperventilating about how the devil can sneak in unawares and possess your soul.
At this point, an authority figure — a church deacon — stepped in and shared his thoughts:
As a deacon in the church and someone who has been specifically trained and has done deliverance ministry within the confines of the church, while i can’t go into detail, practicing yoga like Ouija boards, like believing in horoscopes telling the future, like tarot cards, like hypnotism, like spiritualism, like seances etc. is like opening a crack into the evil one’s domain.
Specifically to yoga, the poses emulate the postures of Hindu gods, the mantras can be prayers to the pagan gods, etc.. While. the rationale of intent is used as a reason, I. E. That it depends upon the intent, when the guard is down, inadvertent openings occur. While you likely won’t find a definitive statement from Rome, I believe it safe to say that avoiding a potential issue is practicing safe spirituality. It is best practice to avoid the near occasion of evil. there are alternatives. Often seen as new age which should be avoided.
The things he lists as potential entry points for a demonic spirit just waiting for a chance, for a moment when everyone’s guard is down, deserve some scrutiny.
Ouija boards appeared in the late 19th century, but it wasn’t until World War I that spiritualists began claiming that they could use the boards to contact the dead. Scientific inquiry has determined that participants are moving the planchet through ideomotor responses, which are all involuntary. In other words, it’s not spirits doing the moving; it’s the participants themselves.
Next the deacon listed “believing in horoscopes.” Other than just making you look gullible, I’m not sure how believing in the vaguely written horoscopes so-calls psychics create can in any way open you up to demonic possession.
Derren Brown, the English mentalist, has shown how these horoscopes are vague nonsense by giving readings to different people and providing them with the exact same horoscopic predictions. They were all of different astrological signs and had all had in-depth conversations with Brown, but they all felt that the reading and prediction that followed was eerily accurate even though it was the same one for each and every one of them.
The skeptic James Randi once wrote horoscopes for a newspaper by taking old horoscopic predictions from other newspapers and simply scrambling them.
The same thoughts apply to tarot cards as to horoscopes, so I won’t rehash that.
Hypnotism, more than anything else, shows the weakness of the brain to manipulation than it shows any sort of spiritual danger. In an odd way, then, it counts against another element of these conservative Christians’ belief, that of creationism. A brain that can so easily be manipulated does not seem to be the creation of an omnipotent being, but Christians have an easy out for this: the Fall corrupted everything. Press that issue with questions (How exactly? What is the mechanism that this mythical disobedience led to physical changes in humans and the planet itself?) and many will simply resort to, “I don’t know how, I just have faith in God’s word, and that’s what God’s word says.” Point out that actually the Bible says nothing about the so-called Fall leading to a deterioration, a spoiling of the physical world and that that, therefore, is mere interpretation and you’ll likely see that this person doesn’t even understand the objection and will simply reiterate earlier points. It’s easy to see why: opening up to such doubts is more dangerous than opening up to potential demonic possession, because doubts lead to visible consequences (people leaving churches) where as demonic possession — not so much.
The deacon next mentioned “spiritualists,” which I assum he means those who claim they can talk to the dead. People like James Randi and Derren Brown have so completely and thoroughly debunked this whole practice, this whole industry, that it’s shocking anyone still thinks these spiritualists are talking to the dead. In fact, they are doing nothing more than cold reading.
Seances were nothing more than parlor tricks of the late nineteenth century, and those conducting seances were hucksters and con artists. The bumps, thumps, and noises were manipulations, and the levitation was nothing more than common performance tricks.
So science, logic, and common sense have shown every concern the deacon raised to be, in fact, nonexistent, or worse, a hoax.
Next, the deacon explained that “While. the rationale of intent is used as a reason, I. E. That it depends upon the intent, when the guard is down, inadvertent openings occur.” I have so many questions about this.
First of all, what is this guard he’s talking about? It would have to be some kind of spiritual guard since we’re talking about spiritual issues. (Never mind the fact that a consciousness without a physical brain is, as far as science has determined thus far, impossible, thus rendering the whole existence of any spiritual being, good or bad, impossible.) If we don’t even know what it is, how can we be sure it is up or down?
Second, what are these openings he’s talking about? If it’s all spiritual to begin with, there are no “openings” or “closings” because those are descriptions of physical things, places physical objects can slip through other physical objects. A spirit doesn’t need an opening. Even in the New Testament, the resurrected Jesus walks through walls and such. What is this opening?
Third, how can these things be on purpose or inadvertent if we don’t even know what they are or how to control them?
This leads to the most troubling question: what kind of god, who loves his followers and wants them to be safe, would allow such inadvertent openings to exist? Is it out of his control? It also calls into question the supposed benevolence of such a being. It seems like he’s saying, “Oops — you let your guard down. I know you didn’t realize you’d done it, but that’s how these things go. I’m just going to let this demon slip on in and control you.”
Of course, the whole idea of demonic possession in the twenty first century is laughable. It’s oddly telling that only Christian believers get possessed and not atheists.
I’m sure most Christians would simply reply, “Well of course they get possessed: they just don’t realize it or even believe in it, so they’re not going to do anything about it.” Indeed, evangelical podcasters and broadcasters regularly declare that this person or that person is, in fact, demon possessed.
Finally, someone just asked point blank:
I may be dumb, but why in the world would that go against our religion.
I guess this individual hadn’t read the deacon’s detailed response, but another member gladly and succinctly explained it:
because of the yoga positions are honoring Hindu Gods
You can only prod a skeptic so long before he responds: I had to join the conversation.
Just what do you think, [name redacted], being in those positions does? Doesn’t intent matter? If one is not doing it in order to honor the Hindu gods, is one actually honoring those gods? It seems odd to think that getting into position X with the motivation of strengthening certain muscles would cause harm just because someone else gets into position X with the motivation of honoring some non-existent god.
Another participant tried to explain it this way:
sometimes our subconscious leads us into places WE don’t need to go so I’m just suggesting you watch the women of Grace video and I have a different opinion but mine is lead by our GOD so I’m trusting HIM. I respect each person opinion as well
I replied,
So getting into these positions will somehow trick our subconscious, which will then subvert our conscious intent and make us unconsciously worship these gods? I’m not trying to sound snarky — I just don’t understand.
The other participant simply pointed out that it was not her job to convince me and that I need to turn this over prayerfully to God for guidance. Reason had broken down. Logic had disappeared. Faith had entered.
My ability to hold back ever diminishing, I got a little ridiculous:
What if I am playing with my son, wrestling around, being silly, and one of us accidentally strikes one of these poses? If intent doesn’t matter, then I could’ve accidentally opened some demonic gateway just by playing with my son. Does that make sense? It doesn’t to me.
It seems like a childish objection, but in fact, it’s a serious concern if these Christians are right about yoga. If intent doesn’t matter, then getting into one of these compromising positions accidentally should be a major concern.
The opposite, though, is another concern: what about non-Christians making the sign of the cross? Does this have some kind of inadvertent effect? Is God just waiting for us to slip up and slide a little grace in just like the devil is waiting for us to slip up and take our souls?
I suspect the deacon, were I to ask him these questions, would not have a ready answer, or he would not have an answer that, in turn, raises more logical issues. Believers see this as getting carried away. “You can always find a loophole, some kind of ‘what if’ question,” they might respond. They might call it a juvenile objection as our parish priest once did on his blog when discussing the problem of pain. They’ll likely tell you that they’re praying for you. But they will all eventually reach this point, where there’s no rational response to the objection.
In the past, I avoided all this by simply not asking the questions to begin with. I was, quite honestly, scared to ask those questions because I knew there were no answers, and I knew the doubts such questions would bring could swamp what little bit of faith I had. I ignored it, and I suspect I’m not the only one who does that. No, I don’t merely suspect; I know. Statistically speaking, it must be the case for some percentage of believers.